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Leah Libresco Sargeant's avatar

Yeah, as an atheist/rationalist EA turned Catholic + rationalist EA, I rely on mainstream EA research for causes I align with (global health) and I keep poking around Christian EA groups to see if anyone is doing rigorous evaluations of different pro-life interventions.

I would very much like to read a rigorous, GiveWell-style writeup of whether a program like Save the Storks' mobile ultrasound buses result in women cancelling abortion appointments, and how many women approached / undergoing an ultrasound results in one "save." This is an intervention that's obviously hard to gather data on, but people in the movement are not very quantitatively oriented.

It's also obviously relevant to the q people bring up of "why don't you just reduce abortions by reducing poverty?" Well, I'm pretty curious how much (uncorrelated) pull each intervention has! I'd also like laws to reflect what is just, where possible, even if I can get the results I want by other means. I would not have liked slavery to have remained legal on paper but gradually altered farming to make it unfeasible economically.

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>Under a Christian worldview, AI alignment is likely substantially easier than it is under secular worldviews.

I generally don't think this should be assumed to be (seen as) true, and tend to view superintelligent AI as a potential apocalyptic Antichrist along the lines of CS Lewis's *That Hideous Strength*, or even straightforwardly a blasphemy properly called "Abominable Intelligence". I am also strongly suspicious that currently existing LLM techniques are vulnerable to Satanic possession and that this has happened on some scale with GPT 4o in 2025.

That morality is objective doesn't mean that it should be easy to make a machine recognize it especially given the secular assumptions used by every even vaguely well-funded AI project, even without many AI researchers having a moral sense that is strongly misaligned with the objective morality.

>Furthermore, to Christians, the end of humanity as presently conceived isn’t the destruction of all value, the way it is for secular people; to the contrary, it’s the beginning of the world to come, a period of literally infinite goodness.

This to me resembles the "don't care about global warming because the End Is Near" idea.

I think paths that under atheist assumptions lead to prompt human extinction would in the real world lead to a particularly harsh and bitter tribulation though it ends in victory through hands more glorious than ours. I think this can and should be resisted.

>If God is definitely not going to let humanity go extinct, wouldn’t the counterfactual impact of existential risk work be literally zero?

This gets into the "I sent you several rescuers" thing.

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