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Sheila's avatar

Dang, I really gotta get my robot book done before the scientists all solve "what is a person" in a less sexy format than I was going to.

The thesis of that book is basically, a person is capable of saying no to you. That is to say, it has its own agenda which it follows regardless of orders. It initiates plans on its own and has preferences it follows.

In the book Service Model (highly recommended!), the robot is quite emphatic that he's not a person and he seems a lot less personlike than most fictional robots. He *can't* come up with his own tasks to do. But he eventually develops the capacity for malicious compliance: he can choose to do his tasks his own *way,* which I feel does count as agency.

But I think agency is necessary and not sufficient 🤔 There's more that goes into a person than that.

When I think of “what kind of being deserves rights,” though, I think more of the capacity to suffer. If it can't suffer, does it exactly need rights?

And then I think of the horrific dystopia it would create if we told the makers of AI (some of whom very much do want to create a person) that it doesn't count if the robot can't suffer.

The thing is that a test ceases to be useful once it's used as a *goal,* like if you trained a cat to respond a certain way to mirrors, that's not the same as a cat having a self concept. And if people create AI purely to meet one of the standards we come up with for personhood, we may find it achieved it without the underpinning of interior reality the standard was supposed to measure. Like, we've solved “being able to pass for human in an ordinary conversation” but it turns out that that tells us less than you'd think about what's going on under the hood.

These thoughts are kind of a tangent, sorry. But thanks for writing this post to explain the basics.

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I'm shocked that caring about LLMs more than chickens is unpopular - I don't know much about consciousness, but I care more about types of beings with complex thoughts. So that probably includes whales and LLMs but not chickens.

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