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I overall like this post and I find the arguments that electing Democrats is really important and donating to strong candidates helps achieve that goal convincing, but it doesn’t really make a case for those donations being more cost-effective than donating to AI safety orgs or GiveWell. Do you know of any analysis which tries to directly compare the expected effects of spending a dollar on the most important elections to spending it on e.g. malaria nets? Or do you have any arguments for why we should expect political donations to have competitive cost-effectiveness without that?

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Any political analysis that says "politician X is universally bad" is pretty much guaranteed to be poorly thought out and driven by some kind of hysteria rather than rational thinking.

Trump 2 is so far looking very good for American democracy. Lets go through some of your claims:

> Trump is taking control of traditionally independent positions in the civil service—from prosecutors to the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics—and trying to fill them with political loyalists who will do his bidding.

Think for a moment about what you are saying here. I remember a time when Republicans thought President Biden was going senile and that the deep state was secretly running everything behind the scenes. The mainstream narrative at the time tried to frame these Republicans as crazy. Then it became undeniable that President Biden was going senile, and we never got a straight answer about who had been running things behind the scenes. Now you are telling us that of course the deep state is running everything behind the scenes, and that it is somehow a threat to democracy for the democratically elected leader of our government to try to run things instead?!?!

This I think is our biggest crux. The idea that any bureaucrat can exercise part of the awesome power of the government without political accountability is horrifying to me. The narrative I was given at every level of our education system, from elementary school through law school, was that it was ok for prosecutors and bureaucrats to exercise that power, because they all answer to the president, who in turn answers to the voters. That was what I read in the United States Constitution when it said that all of the executive power is vested in the president. That was the thing that was supposed to safeguard us from bureaucrats and prosecutors becoming dictators. Now we are being told that that isn't true, that that was never true, that these prosecutors and bureaucrats have been acting as dictators all along. I want my democracy back! And Trump is fighting to get me my democracy back. In the long run this may do more to strengthen democracy than his attempted coup did to damage it.

> He has used retaliatory arrests and prosecutions against people who investigated him.

There has definitely been damage to democracy here, I grant, but it was the Democrats who started it, not Trump. You remember the prosecution of Trump over the Stormy Daniels thing? A prosecution that in normal times nobody would have bothered with even if it had been legal, and that was definitely not legal because it violated the statute of limitations. The Democrats crossed a huge red line there and took our democracy in a very dark direction. I wish we had a president who could pull us back from that, and Trump sadly but unsurprisingly is not that man, but I also can't really blame him for playing by the same rules that were used against him.

> He has openly defied as many as one in three court orders against him.

I don't believe this for a second. The first couple times I saw these claims I looked into them and they did not hold up. I'm no longer taking the time to look in to each individual case, and I certainly am not going to give the Washington Post my money, but if you have a particular case in mind that you think is a particularly strong example of this I am willing to look into it.

> He has broken the law to avoid spending money allocated by Congress.

Yea, that's not great. You know what else is not great? His predecessor breaking the law to avoid collecting debts that former college students owed to the American people. Again, this just looks like Trump playing by the same rules the Democrats played by the last time they were in power.

> He has taken power from the states—most famously by deploying California’s National Guard without the consent of the governor of California.

The constitution allocates power over the military, including the national guard, to the President, not to the governors. And it is sometimes right and proper for a president to use that power to keep the peace and enforce the law. I recall another Republican president famously deploying the 101st Airborn Division to Little Rock, AK, a decision now rightly celebrated in the history books. It may have been unwise or even illegal for Trump to deploy the guard under the current circumstances, but it was definitely not an invasion of state power.

> He has also targeted the institutions of civil society that are supposed to check the power of the president: the press, law firms, universities.

He has been more political than some other presidents in choosing which elements of the press to give access to, but access has always been the president's to give. Biden took advantage of this to hide from the press when he was going senile, and nobody said he was targeting the press.

It is the sacred right of every litigant to choose their own lawyers, and fire their own lawyers, for whatever petty and childish reasons they choose. As head of the executive branch, it is Trump's sacred right to choose the executive branches lawyers, and fire the executive branches lawyers, for whatever petty and childish reasons he chooses. That's all he's done.

The universities were NEVER supposed to be a check on the power of the president. That is a horrifying misuse of those institutions, and the reason the president is rightly coming down on them. Universities are supposed to pursue truth outside the realm of politics, and they are supposed to do so in a way that is welcoming to people of all political persuasions, all races, all sexes, and all religions, and that does not take sides on political issues or politicians. That was the promise that universities made to the American people in exchange for the incredible degree of financial support and independence they have received since ww2. The Universities broke that contract. And that sucks. I really wish they hadn't, because they were important institutions, and they have left a vacancy that will be difficult to fill. But what is happening now is the natural and foreseeable consequence of that choice.

> Most frighteningly, Trump has continued to say he won the 2020 election. He pardoned the January 6 rioters who, again, tried to perform a coup against the U.S. government to make him president. He has targeted the people who prosecuted the January 6 rioters. He has hinted publicly at wanting to run for an unconstitutional third term.

Yea, you are definitely right that in past generations attempting a coup would have been disqualifying. I wish it still was. This is definitely the thing that gives me most pause about Trump, and the dominant reason I voted against him in 2024. But the American people have spoken, and they clearly do not regard it as disqualifying. As for a third term, I'd be shocked if it gets any real traction. And if, somehow, it does happen, I'll join the resistance then.

If there is an EA case against Trump, I think it would have to be that all this democracy stuff is too speculative and uncertain to satisfy the rigorous epistemological standards we demand of ourselves as EAs, and the damage Trump has done on foreign aid and foreign policy more generally is worth fighting against. There is a whole argument that by pulling the US back from its traditional role as world cop, Trump has significantly increased the risk of ww3 breaking out, and the catastrophic and existential risks that go along with that. You should be making that argument!

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