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Bob Jacobs's avatar

I'm kinda in the process of donating my kidney (I have to decide between liver lobe and kidney donation since I can't do both. No one has done an analysis of this tradeoff, but conversations with the hospital make me lean towards kidney donation). I largely agree and even think we should extend this to all types of organ donations, but I don't agree with you when you say "I am convinced that if you investigated the bioethicists who are against compensating kidney donations, you would discover they’re funded by dialysis companies who don’t want to suddenly be cut off from the beautiful gushing flow of cash."

I've read some of those bioethicists and they strike me as genuinely concerned for the poor. One possible problem is that poor people are often forced to take deals that give them a bit of money now in exchange for having to pay a lot of money later (see e.g. the whole predatory lending landscape). I can easily see a similar dynamic happening here: the government gives a bit of money, but not enough to compensate the full recovery/long term effects, and poor people are forced to take that option because they need money now. This is especially dangerous in low-governance regions where I can see this leading to black organ markets (for a possible worst case scenario, see this story about "blood farms" in India: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7302649.stm)

Now I think that with very *very* careful law drafting we can craft a bill that minimizes these dangers while still saving those suffering from kidney failure, but I can't blame people for being skeptical about whether their lawmakers can pull that off.

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Jasnah Kholin's avatar

I was bewildered by the opposition to selling organs, until i encountered the model of extraction. i actually read it in facebook, but there is a LessWrong post now: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/fPvssZk3AoDzXwfwJ/universal-basic-income-and-poverty

there was discussions about selling organs somewhere, but i wasn't able to find it, so here a post about that from facebook that is not the one i want to link, but one from the same category: https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/pfbid044c1JKDsvK2Q85vMsWtBKqVpqxbWPkBJY2RKbFEm64REzegCcR9mQT8nLC4FkVfGl

in short: people in poverty are trapped in place that extract from them all legible resources, so making resources legible will not make their situation better by the amount of money they get, just make them have one organ less.

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