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Victor Thorne's avatar

I enjoyed this post quite a bit, but I still think the basic principle Scott Alexander is talking about applies here. That is, things ordinary people use should be designed in a way ordinary people will like. So we sort of have two axes here: good taste/bad taste and enjoyable/not enjoyable, and different use cases for each quadrant.

Bad taste/not enjoyable: Should not be used.

Bad taste/enjoyable: Okay for everyday things, although not ideal.

Good taste/enjoyable: Awesome, go right ahead and use it everywhere.

Good taste/not enjoyable: Sort of like the lovingly detailed amputee clown porn you were discussing. Put it in a modern art museum? Wonderful. Put it in everybody's house and all public buildings and give them no way to opt out, so that they must look at the very tasteful amputee clown porn from dawn to dusk? Less wonderful. Stop doing this.

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I'm also in the top percentiles of "O" scores and maybe that's why I think this article is absolutely spot on 100% correct on literally everything it says.

As an aside, didn't Scott once expressed a sentiment along the lines of "it's really hard to understand / relate to why people wouldn't want to feel blissfully good all the time"?

When my brain broke I lost the ability to "enjoy" (= want to engage with and get something desirable of) certain kinds of content on certain kinds of topics (chiefly, artistic treatments of atrocity, especially genocidal, but also other mass sufferings like war, famine etc and most body horror too, but also detailed factual descriptions of same), because the price (emotional reaction, lingering and then intrusive thoughts) became tok high. Six years on, it feels like probably THE biggest cost of broken brain. And most people don't understand this. "Well you can't deal with this, just don't engage with such topics/treatments".

But to pivot back to taste. I think OP is correct 100% but misses or ignores the class/signalling aspect that is very important in how "taste" works socially and culturally. I'm not going to launch into a big Bourdieu tangent here, but I think this is an important part in relation to BOTH the "objective" and "arbitrary" aspects and especially their learning.

So I'm going to finish this rambling comment with an example. I'm a middle aged, poor but fairly culturally snobby person who uses big Latin derived words in speech and likes modernist art and architecture (but can't stand Proust). I also mostly dislike so called ultra processed foods and much fast food. But I really like a lot of McDonald's savoury offerings, pretty much everything apart from their chips. And people react to this with (occasionally utter) disbelief.

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