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Tulip's avatar

> Let’s say you’re trapped in a burning building and you have a choice between saving one five-year-old and a thousand frozen embryos. If you’re not both pro-life and chronically addicted to biting bullets, you pick the five-year-old, right? Very few people really think that embryos’ lives matter as much as born children’s do.

I think a lot of this is due to presumed replacement effects, though? My instincts about this situation are very different depending on whether the outcome is "these particular embryos burn up, the people involved have a different thousand kids instead" or whether it's "these particular embryos burn up, the people involved have no kids at all instead, the world in five years has a thousand fewer people than it otherwise would have". In the former case, it's pretty unambiguously right to save the five-year-old; in the latter, my common-sense-morality-intuitions point five-year-old-ward but my consequentialism-intuitions point embryos-ward and I'm genuinely unsure which would win in the event. (I'm pretty sure my *endorsed* answer, from a distance, is the embryos, but unsure how much effect that would have on my actual decisions in the moment.)

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Very interesting. As someone who thinks that it's much worse for a 10 year old to die than a newborn, and possibly even for an 18 year old too, I'm probably out there by today's standards (and no, I'm not a time traveller from the "massive child mortality" era though this historical perspective undoubtedly plays a role).

As someone who had an abortion which didn't feel like a tragic or difficult decision -- in the sense that I didn't have a doubt for a moment what I wanted to do -- but still felt like a much harder thing to go through than taking a morning-after pill (I think it's this scared animal thing kicking in here) I feel that the concept of gradually "increasing" personhood might be a decent compromise here -- and as on your embryos vs child example, the vast majority of anti abortion people don't REALLY seem to believe that abortion is equivalent to infanticide, never mind "proper" murder.

>> I would be pretty unhappy about dying even if I died painlessly and no one would miss me.

Interesting. Even if you didn't know it was to happen or that you were dying?

I think I'd be ok with it. On some level, it would feel like an optimal, even desirable solution: nobody gets harmed apart from the future me, who doesn't exist. Of course, you're young, so you have a realistically worthwhile future of projects and "projects", rather than just waiting for the (clearly visible on the horizon) decrepitude to arrive; so that makes a big difference.

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