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Ivan R.'s avatar

For the third-person limited thing, blame Henry James! I was taught at least that his more and more austere avoidance of "head-hopping" over the course of his career (up to the full third-person limited of something like The Ambassadors in 1903) loomed over the first generations of twentieth-century authors as much as Hemingway does over us, and that a dogmatic commitment to his writing advice (which was based on various weird theories of his like the superiority of theater) basically killed off the Victorian omniscient narrator. Which I guess also goes to show how arbitrary these things can be, since James's long, convoluted sentences, especially in his later career, make Peake and Tolkien look like telegraph operators.

Also, I think it's kind of sad how Hemingway's minimalism has become synonymous with Being A Real Man and a sort of populist blue-collar aesthetic (which he himself did a lot to encourage of course). His literary mentor was Gertrude Stein, who did incredibly challenging, experimental minimalist prose-poetry, and Hemingway's writing kind of has one foot in that queer, experimental modernist moment he came out of and one foot in the gritty, masculinist later twentieth century stuff that grew out of him, so that you can kind of read something like The Sun Also Rises "from either direction" and come away with very different ideas about what he's doing. I find Gertrude Stein more interesting than Raymond Chandler so I guess I'm a little defensive of Hemingway when people come at him "from the other end", but that just goes to show even more how contingent and historically embedded Hemingway's advice was and how little it's a timeless gospel of how to "write well" in general.

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I'm not a lover of purple prose or melodrama, but both those words imply *too much* of a thing that is, in normal amounts, just fine. Writing fanfic has taught me to have a lot less anxiety about the line between lush and purple, or drama and melodrama, because the line is further out than you think. Readers love the richer stuff.

Shyness, fear of being Cringe, causes people to edge way back of that line, convinced the readers will judge it harshly. It's like wearing jeans all the time for fear that any kind of "fancy" style will get you laughed at.

A lot of it is just a matter of practice, and discovering what *you* like, without the thought of a merciless audience picking apart your adverbs. You get a better sense of the line then. But you can't get a sense of it if you're always so afraid of it you cower 20 yards back writing like Asimov. (No shade to Asimov, but his dictate that no one should notice your writing held me back far too long.) You gotta dance around the line a bit, take risks, edit stuff out only when you know you've gone over.

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