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I've been enjoying the serial review without having read the book, and thus felt unable to comment, but decided to at this stage, even if with this caveat: all I know about the book comes from its summaries and reviews, ranging from adulatory to neutral to critical.

I'm commenting on this part because I feel it goes to the core of not just the specific educational approach but broader zeitgeist. I'd call it "therapeutic approach to social and other life" but that's not quite right because much therapy (including the very common CBT and CBT derived styles like ACT) are nothing like the phenomenon I mean. So I don't quite know what to call it but it's a thing, and from what I've seen is particularly widespread among slightly-alternative*-young-people (and the extended niche occupied by their older versions in MORE "alternative" millieus.

And the thing consists of encouraging what seems like excessive focus on and giving immense importance to one's inner states, specifically one's emotions, *as well as those states and emotions of others*, rather than focusing on being in and acting on the world, pursuing goals, and generally looking outwards.

And I'm not saying that introspection should be actively discouraged, or that teachers and carers should be ignoring children's states or emotions. But the main point the author SEEMS to be making, that active EXTENSIVE focus on and not just encouraging but REQUESTING that children do that feels (and I purposefully choose this word, because it's an intuition rather than a fact) potentially counterproductive, in not dissimilar way to the way psychological debriefing provided for all survivors of distressing and traumatic events and responders to those turned out to be more harmful than helpful (even if it might be helpful to SOME).

So I'm looking at this "Spy" exercise, and while I don't share author's concerns about invading sacred privacy behind family home doors, I'm wondering if making children ACTIVELY FOCUS on doing what most humans do to a huge extent anyway (because we're highly social species and because we depend on families completely for many years when very young and on communities/society forever) -- monitoring and trying to interpret inner states of other people -- is going to be useful to the general population, and whether it might not be actively harmful even by making them obsess even more than the human average over "what did X think about and whether they like me":

The exercise you describe as being useful for autistic children or adults might be counterproductive in non-autistic people?

So while your general thrust in this section feels persuasive, the:

>>"Shrier says that emotional checkins cause children to ruminate constantly about their feelings and how terrible they feel"

...might have a point? Maybe not to the "until they flunk out of school and have major depressive disorder" level but to a certain degree at least? In ways similar to "you don't need to feel guilty for X" will be a needed intervention for some, and will make those who didn't feel guilty think that maybe they should, or how DEI training can activate thinking using categories that prejudice is based on?

I also feel there's a wider cultural context to this. "It's good to talk, no shame in sharing" is likely a very important message if the societal norm is a full-on repressed stoicism -- but if the norm has shifted (and I have no idea if it has in American education!) closer to emotional incontinence, then the corrective message needs to change to.

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loki's avatar

i feel like the daisy/ladybug thing might have made me more emotionally repressed by associating emotionally checking in with twee bullshit but thats me ig

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