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Sheila's avatar

My very surface level exploration of the ideas was instrumental in getting me out of the Catholic Church, which was extremely valuable to my life! So: full marks for that.

At other times I have felt that the need to use special methods all the time instead of just normal ones that people do already feels like extra work. Society has come up with lots of scripts to deal with the most common problems human beings regularly have, and many or most of them work. Glomming onto new scripts from this special source felt too much like joining a new religion, and I was not up for that.

In short, good for deprogramming from awful beliefs, if you commit to actually trying to be rational and following the answers you come up with. But nothing I learned subsequently quite equaled, "find out what the expert consensus in a field is and believe that, unless you are also an expert in that field." It was good advice, which I think I heard from Scott, and it got me vaccinating my kids. But I don't think all rationalists follow that one. There's a tendency to assume that being very smart and following rationalist techniques should equal or surpass actual expertise, and I can see time and time again that it really, really doesn't.

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Manuel del Rio's avatar

I really liked this blog post, and am waiting for the next installment. Myself, I arrived at EA and Rationalism very late (about 3 years ago) and while I have been reading much about both, I profit from clear explanations likes yours.

In many ways, I feel like both EA and Rationalism are very appealing (I can unironically describe myself as EA and Rat adjacent): a bunch of nerdy, math-loving people keen of discovering truth and doing good sounds right up my alley; but then I find myself flatly disagreeing with some core values and principles of either group.

Take Bayesianism: My instinct is to *really* dislike it when compared to Frequentism. And this is, I suspect, entirely my fault, and a result of my own experiences and weird psychological make-up: I am of a dogmatic disposition I have to fight with all the time, probably a result of a strongly religious and Catholic upbringing, coupled afterwards with a no less strong attachment for years to Marxism and by academic studies in the Humanities which mostly resulted in a loathing for postmodernism, relativism and 'anything goes' discourse. When I see Math being treated as subjective guesswork, all my alarms at bullshitting with esoteric obscurantism with a scientific façade start ringing (which I don't think is a fair assessment of Bayesianism or Bayesians, but it is definitely what I feel). In fact, what attracted me most to math is the search for some field were completely irrefutable, unquestionable, unarguable Truth (or the closest thing attainable by humans) can be attained. So when I read 'this kind of prediction is, in a certain sense, the thing that knowledge is', I just feel that if such be knowledge, I am really not much interested in it.

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