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It's true that the ITN framework is more appropriate for individual actions that have easily measurable marginal contributions to human welfare, rather than hard-to-measure individual contributions to a collective effort to gain a good outcome. It is, however, unclear how much this cleave reality at its joints between EAs and leftists and social justice activists:

- Longtermist EAs have every reason to not use the ITN framework by that metric: either the decades of research and movement-building lead to the creation of an aligned AGI singleton, or it doesn't.

- On the flip side, it's not clear to me why we could not consider the marginal benefit of shutting down a weapons factory (or oil pipeline, or factory farm, or gain-of-function biotech lab, or AI capabilities datacenter) from an ITN perspective (indeed, effective animal *activists* do exactly this), nor is it immediately obvious to me that it wouldn't be competitive with the top GiveWell charities in term of preventing deaths in the global South, especially considering activism is relatively cheap.

As an addendum, I would like to note that there are activist venues which do not compete with EA causes for either money, or even labor. For example, if you are in a position in a company that would be of interest to the military-industrial complex, like, I don't know, *a big tech company in Silicon Valley*, there are going to be plenty occasions to do fight to prevent deaths in the global South and still donate 10% of your paycheck to the Against Malaria Foundation afterwards.

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