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Bob Jacobs's avatar

> I support John Green’s nascent attempts to kickstart such a community and consider myself a proud #TBFighter ally.

Very happy to hear this. I'm also a #TBFighter supporter and was disappointed by how negatively EAs initially responded when I talked about it (e.g., https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/SCYrASfriLCoFaqCZ/henry-john-green-video?commentId=3gHmTWPybK9pAfFLw )

I think part of the hesitation comes from EA’s intellectual culture. There’s often a deep skepticism towards collective action, something I’d attribute, once again, to EA inheriting some of the blind spots of mainstream economics: https://bobjacobs.substack.com/p/the-ea-community-inherits-the-problems

A more well-rounded sociological perspective shows that many of the most impactful efforts in global health have come from public movements, not just individual optimization.

EA doesn’t need to give up its epistemic humility to recognize that sometimes, collective action is how real progress happens. Maybe the success of the TBFighter campaign, combined with the broader political moment, will help EAs take the messy, hard-to-quantify tool of 'collective action' a bit more seriously.

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> How to handle this subset of beliefs is controversial among effective altruists. The Overton window ranges from “innocent until proven to say slurs” to “if someone so much as mentions human cross-population genetic variation, ban them.” Nevertheless, the community is surprisingly adjacent to vocal “race science” advocates—not because effective altruists agree (they mostly have perfectly normie liberal views on race), but because there exist any effective altruists who won’t expel race science advocates from their parties and Discord servers on sight. This phenomenon is frustrating to the many effective altruists who despise race science and don’t want to be on edge to see whether this guy will use the N word.

> I do want to remark that—while these hot-button beliefs are less censored than in the mainstream left and center—effective altruists are far more willing to censor them than they are to censor criticisms of effective altruism. They aren’t very important to the main effective altruist project, and they tend to silence people. I sometimes see people assume that effective altruists are specifically tolerant of race science people for some reason, and I don’t think that at all reflects conditions on the ground.

No I don't think that's true at all. As Thorstad noted at length in his sequence on the subject (https://reflectivealtruism.com/category/my-papers/human-biodiversity/), the discussion on the Manifest controversy on the Effective Altruism forum clearly showed that large swathes of even the effective altruists who weren't actively involved in promoting race science held race science to be true and the prospect of whether to invite race scientists to EA-adjacent conferences to be a matter of truth-seeking v. reputation-seeking. It is *not normal* for an ostensibly academic-minded secular cosmopolitan philanthrophic movement to be so reliably involved in controversies about ties to advocates for a single fringe extreme position held by virtually no academic biologist or geneticist, while simultaneously being closed to entire academic fields of study, and even majority positions in the few academic fields of study that it actively engage with. If this was a simple question of open-mindedness and free speech norms, then EAs would get in a similar amount of controversies about creationists, tankies¹, and Flat Earthers. This is very obviously not the case.

¹: kudos to certain French and Belgian skeptic orgs still platforming Jean Bricmont btw

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